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Fergie attacks Tory toffs [Apr. 28th, 2010|12:07 pm]
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Sir Alex Ferguson has entered the election debate--for the Reds, of course. In a two-page interview in the Daily Mirror, the Man United manager tells us it is "squeaky bum time" for David Cameron, who clearly thought it was "all over" only to find that it was not.
His comments came in an "exclusive interview"  with Alastair Campbell, the paper's former political editor who is advising on Labour's election campaign.  I doubt the interview was very hard to get. I once travelled to London with Campbell after interviewing Tony Blair in his  Sedgefield constituency and his spin doctor was on the phone to his pal Fergie several times during our train journey.
Today Fergie says that using Cameron's privileged background is "fair game", asking: "How can it be class war to say the guy went to Eton, or that he was part of some dreadful right-wing social club at Oxford?  Where you come from does matter you know. His policies are all about helping is own sort."
Labour will welcome Fergie's intervention,  although it will not be taking his advice on strategy. One Labour official tells me: "He told us we should just say the Tories are all toffs."
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From: pete_clan
2010-04-28 12:00 pm (UTC)

Ferguson and Cameron

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Not surprising a man noted for his bullying and violent language, if not his actions, should show his prejudiced colours in this way. I doubt he'll be doing the labour party any favours even if he does pick up the odd free SNP drink in Inverness!
From: positer
2010-04-28 01:18 pm (UTC)

Re: Ferguson and Cameron

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You do know that Ferguson is a diehard unionist, don't you?
From: snotcricket
2010-04-28 01:17 pm (UTC)

Derr Alex Ferguson

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Here's a guy whose dummy flies from his pram if any sports commentator asks a question he doesn't want to answer or thinks it shouldn't be asked, who does he remind you of; Freaky control.

Or perhaps its a Scottish thing.

There will be many a toff would like to be a £million or two behind Ferguson.

What a prat, still it should ensure that all who are not Man U fans will vote elsewhere.

From: positer
2010-04-28 01:19 pm (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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That should never have happened...Are you a bigot?
From: snotcricket
2010-04-28 01:36 pm (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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Do you mean Derr Alex
From: positer
2010-04-28 01:47 pm (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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No...you.
From: snotcricket
2010-04-28 02:00 pm (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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How do come to that question!
From: positer
2010-04-28 06:44 pm (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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Read your first post again. If you can't see it's bigoted, that's what you would seem to be.
From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 10:33 am (UTC)

Re: Derr Alex Ferguson

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Read it, I wrote it.

Not a Man utd fan are you? Cos there reputation for paranoia is on a par with the dreaded Furious Fergie he throws tea cups & pacifier as Brown throws Nokia & can't be pacified.

Do you think they might be bigots?
From: neilm68
2010-04-28 01:37 pm (UTC)

Celebrity curse

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I don't care what Alex Ferguson or any other 'celebrity' thinks of the election. Stop trivialising and start proper reporting, please.
From: ubergrump
2010-04-28 01:42 pm (UTC)

Re: Celebrity curse

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Totally agree. And hown many millions is this son of toil getting these days? An arrogant conceited bully in the Brown mould.
From: positer
2010-04-28 01:49 pm (UTC)

Re: Celebrity curse

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Going by your name, ubergrump, the favourite football chant "Are you Gordon Brown in disguise?" surely does apply.
From: popskihaynes
2010-04-28 03:06 pm (UTC)

Re: Celebrity curse

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You are obviously a bit of a Socialist bottom licker, aren't you ?

Whilst I would respect anything Sir Alex says on Football, although with some reservations on his 'man management techniques' that have cost him and the Club, talented players on several occasions, on anything else and including arguments over Stud Fees, I think that he is a total Muppet. Any endorsement by him on politics is a bit of a "Kiss of Death".
From: positer
2010-04-28 06:46 pm (UTC)

Re: Celebrity curse

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I also think Alex Ferguson's a muppet. And if you think he's a Socialist, you are too!
From: eve_ntual92
2010-04-28 03:32 pm (UTC)

Re: Celebrity curse

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Absolutely right. But I'm afraid you're too late. It's a celebrity game show now - nothing more.
From: eddiebrodie
2010-04-28 02:16 pm (UTC)

Fergie Throws a Cup !

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Gie us peace, big man. Ye might know a thing or two about fitba( one of the greatest ever) but when it comes to politics, you're clueless.

This desperate Campbell tactic of attacking Cameron's background is ludicrious.

Clement Attlee. Public schoolboy.

Tony Blair( without whom Campbell would be unknown, and whom Ferguson backed to the hilt) Public schoolboy, at Scotland's most exclusive, most prestigious school, Fettes, where the fees are an average salary, and the class system rigidly in place.

So, to hear Tribune of the People Ferguson, and his trumpet Campbell, try to make something of Cameron's background is ,truly, pathetic.
From: positer
2010-04-28 06:53 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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Fettes is not the most prestigious among Scottish people. But it is the one most like a major English public school and probably the most elitist in a very English class sense. It was described by one famous old boy, whose name escapes me as "a little corner of forever England." That would be the sort of England David Cameron has in mind, I imagine, not the one I and most other English people would conjure up.
From: drg40
2010-04-29 07:21 am (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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Not pathetic, however, when it can be reasonably considered to influence his policies and attitudes. If we hadn't been told that Toffee boy was an old Etonian with such bravura, arm in arm with clown Johnson of the same background I think most thinking voters would have wondered where the hell he got his attitudes.

After all, it wasn't the voter that boasted about Daddy's money, but him and his meeja friends.

It wasn't the voter that passed round photographs of his Oxford chums in vaudeville get up feeling so superior.

Make any well known phrase or saying from the words "Heat" and "Kitchen" and bear in mind these are standard Tory tricks played in return against the man who appears to be making a complete pigs ear of slotting a ball into an open goal.
From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 10:43 am (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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Give it a rest almost all leaders from whatever ilk have benefited from top class private education which led to the wonders of Oxbridge.

Why even Nick Girffin attended thus ensuring the control of all opinion stays firmly in the grasp of the Oxbridge-onians.

That's the wonderful thing about politics the tribal are easily led by the nose & even easier to drive the wedge between.

Whilst the spinners from No 10 contribute under the guise of the very concerned.
From: drg40
2010-04-29 12:22 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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But wasn't it that woman who coined the phrase "But is he one of US?"

That's what Tories really don't like, getting smacked by their own stunts.

From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 12:35 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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As I said give it a rest, they're all tarred with the same brush, trouble is people are as daft as the proverbial & keep voting for the same old Trite Trio.

Your pretence to be none tribal is clearly shown by all blame being Tory when in fact they haven't seen government for 13 years.

I'm still astounded the polls show you all prepared to continue to vote for the three disasters & their comfort zone, but as I said your tribalism does none of you credit, trouble is the rest of us continue to pay for this.
From: drg40
2010-04-29 01:19 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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"when in fact they haven't seen government for 13 years"

Well now, isn't that funny. Tories seem to think that out of office for a day and all their little games will be all forgiven and forgotten.

Do you know that there are at least 2 County Councils who will never get out of the debts that were incurred when Maggy fiddled the rates system? Never. People who live in those Counties will forever get poorer sevices and worse provision because Maggy's chums borrowed from Maggy's banks at rates of interest that Maggy's chums adored, just to keep the rates down to impress Maggy.

Gongs all round (Oh, one little piggy went to prison for drugs offences, but he was only one of Maggy's financial advisors as well as a County Councillor, so he doesn't count.)

"The good men do lies oft interred within their bones, the evil lives on after them." In Maggy's cse, even years later, the evil is still bursting out of the ground, despite the Tories panic attempts at burial.

But I supose you think it's "tribal" to ask why some Social Services departments are unable to fulfil their legal obligations, and "tribal" to properly lay the blame at the door of her beloved supremacy the unlovely woman.
From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 01:38 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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If your going back to Thatcher then return to the problem that preceded her.

The reason SS Depts are unable to fulfill their obligations, is because they are ineffective, inefficient & spend far too much of the budget on themselves & their pension scheme & bugger all to do with Thatcher or indeed Callaghan before her.

Won't be long before you mention the Raj at this rate, as the Great MacGordon as just been quoted that was yesterday & this is today.

But then again with your politics of Total Recall all will pale into insignificance compared to MacGordon's disastrous Chancellorship followed by a similar tenure as PM now that will not be forgotten in political/economic history but also by children & children's children as they pay for the lunacy of the man.
From: drg40
2010-04-29 03:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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"The reason SS Depts are unable to fulfill their obligations, is because they are ineffective, inefficient & spend far too much of the budget on themselves & their pension scheme & bugger all to do with Thatcher or indeed Callaghan before her."

Bearing in mind you make that assertion as a generalisation I defy you to prove it, other than in one or two specific individual cases. It's not true of SS departments in general, and it's not true of the great majority of staff in particular.

I'll tell you another fiddle, and you'll never guess who laid the foundation stone of this one: The govt gives money to County Councils and, furthermore dictates by cappping (or whatever weasel words are currently in vogue) the amount to be raised. The amount given for education is ring fenced and theirs is the largest budget amounting to about 50% of the total. Highways come next and the govt fixes the standards to which roads must be maintained. Furthermore, you have idiots who pull stunts as in the past where 44 tonne lorries are allowed on the roads and the Councils have to "find" the money necessary to imporve the roads having a legal obligation to provide public highways capable of taking ALL legal traffic. Highways account generally for about 30%. Leaving aside, coroners courts, probation and all the other bits (loan repayment, of course, but you already have my views on that, and it tends to get lopped off the top as unavoidable.) So SS end up with about 20%. Now comes the bite - are you ready? Cretinous SoS walks to the front of the stage and announcies to his beloved that he is going to save 6% efficiency savings. Oh great. How clever.

It can't come off education, that's ring fenced. It can't come off roads, because the courts would beat you to death with your own leg, so it comes off SS. So SS have to make 30% efficiency savings.

And that don't work. However much you vilify them, it don't not work.

Ah but wait, we haven't mentioned inflation, wage settlements, fancy new obligations dreamed up at political conferences by incontinent mouthpieces, Inquiries who dream up standards of care that can never be met, the NHS who's idea of meeting their share of legal financial obligations is to say "p off, sue us if you dare, 'cos we're the beautiful people, nurses and Doctors and things. You find the money."

Hang on, don't rush off, we haven't got to next year where we shall be expected to do much more with even less, so we're told to put some by from this year's savings. What?

I know one MP who is only too well aware that the SS dept who look after his constituency can't meet their legal obligations, with evidence. He keeps very quiet in the House when his chums start shrieking about savings.

What you should do is write to the chair of the SS Audit Committee of your local Council and express your views to him. Only for God's sake don't give him your name and address.
From: estuardotiza
2010-04-29 02:19 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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We are far too tribalist in this country.

For a long time I've likened people's blinkered support (or non-support) for certain political parties to that of football fans. Blind fanaticism, and a hatred of their closest rivals.
It's quite amazing how people can forgive their "team" for misdemeanours that,had the opposition committed would have seen the very same people out in the streets bearing placards.





From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 02:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Fergie Throws a Cup !

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A good analogy.
From: estuardotiza
2010-04-28 03:06 pm (UTC)

SIR Alex Ferguson

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Strange. Sir Alex doesn't like "toffs" but is more than happy to receive a knighthood from the biggest toff of them all!!
It really doesn't sit well with me, Labour's obsession with Cameron's background, seems very childish and reeks of the playground. Not nice.
From: snotcricket
2010-04-29 10:48 am (UTC)

Re: SIR Alex Ferguson

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Ah yes but do remember Furious Fergie now complains about the Chelsea's & Man City's buying success when he's done it for most of his Mancunian career.

Do you know if there is a dummy & pram clause in his contract because he goes through them like a man with no concern for his carbon tongue print.

Anyway have to go I'm just braking from 150 mph on the motorway to have a piss in the central reservation.

Hoots mon that feels good.
From: bonzo53
2010-04-28 03:11 pm (UTC)

Who is Alex Feguson?

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I have never heard of him. Is he another unknown LibDem shadow minister?
From: obidoug
2010-04-28 03:51 pm (UTC)

Alex Ferguson

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Alex is not, and never will be, up there with Brian Clough. Neither in football, nor in politics
From: positer
2010-04-28 06:54 pm (UTC)

Re: Alex Ferguson

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Who's Brian Clough?
From: triffid2009
2010-04-28 04:05 pm (UTC)

Man Untied, the sharing club

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So 'Sir' Alex how about a bit of socialism in football, starting with a salary cap perhaps? Man United could never be accused of being part of the footballing aristocracy, and using their wealth to lure footballers away from poorer clubs.